Sorry for the long delay. The current state of the whole debate took a minute to think through.

So, as I understand it, this subdebate is about Francois' claim(s) of the tripartite division, and David's objections to the claim(s). It seems to me that the discussion so far has been about one counterexample on David's part. So, what I would like to do is to actually move the current discussion to a subdebate. (please wait for me to post first in that one).

For the rest of this subdebate, David, do you have any other objections or counterarguments to Francois' argument, separate from the one based on wine storage? (I suspect the answer is yes, which is why I'm making the split. If it's not, the split will be unnecessary, sorry)

I will also ask Francois to define a handful of terms. Some of them may be a cause of confusion in the debate, though some of them are just for the benefit of this mediator, and probably some readers. (Note: I have yet to fix the definition interface, but please make sure to only use a phrase, not a full sentence, in the definition. For instance, think of it as "Value is [__your_definition_here_]". I will probably add something like that to the interface actually")